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wheasonjr
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"ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS."
 
   ANOTHER WIN
September 14, 2007 Hearing on DFG’s motion for summary judgment was held in Eason’s
case against DFG. Judge Connelly not only denied DFG’s motion for
summary judgment but issued a final judgment in the action in favor of
Eason. He declared DFG’s Informational Statements of 2005 and 2006,
where they attempted to delete 14 CCR 228(b)(1), as underground regulations
and void. He ordered DFG to promulgate formal regulations and to
comply with the APA in so doing. He gave them 10 days from Entry of
Final Judgment to do so. Final Judgment has not been entered yet.

Complete information at http://www.equalaccess2justice.us>Equal Access to Justice, Inc. web site in the news articles section dated October 22, 2007.
The links at the bottom of the news article show important information, as well as an explanation of what we think
DFG had planned is in the last link.
We are gearing up for another case that we know is coming up, any donations would be appreciated and are needed GPAA/LDMA
has been our main support but they are also helping in other areas as well as ours and funds are short. Make ck payable to
Equal Access to Justice, this is tax deductable we are a 501 © (3) charitable organization.
Thank You
Walter H. Eason
GPAA/LDMA
http://www.equalaccess2justice.us>Equal Access to Justice, Inc.
39565 Terwilliger Road, #A
Anza, CA 92539


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10-25-07, 11:52 AM (MDT)
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1. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-25-07 AT 11:57 AM (MDT)
 
Just a little note from us here at Equal Access to Justice, without the help of GPAA/LDMA on the funding this case may have been impossible for us to handle.
This case that GPAA/LDMA backed us on was a case that was not as a defensive move but this was a case that was started and filed by us in a aggressive
move/response to where we thought California Department of Fish and Game was going or where they could go from the 2005 and 2006 underground
regulating/informational bulletins. Even "UNDERGROUND REGULATIONS" if not challenged with in a certain time frame (6 months if I remember right)
become NON UNDERGROUND LEGAL REGULATIONS. By code and it was upheld by the court the informational sheets in 2005 and 2006 were in the form and
acting as a regulation and were regulating activities, so they were regulations (under ground regulations that is).
Thanks GPAA and LDMA, Tom and family for the support you have always given us and the small scale mining community.
Walter H. Eason, Jr.
CEO
Equal Access to Justice, Inc.


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2. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   congratulations Walt! i particularly like the time constraints implemented for compliance!

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Plumas
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3. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   There is a little more to this. I took a look at the EAJ web page and found this.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO 14 CCR 228

October 22, 2007 Though, we are not certain, we expect that DFG will propose what they
did before that is, to delete 14 CCR 228(b)(1), the provision that allows
one to acquire a special suction dredge permit.


EAJ’s OPINION AS TO AFFECT OF DFG’s PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO 14 CCR 228

October 22, 2207 Essentially, the affect of DFG’s proposed amendment to 14 CCR 228 is to
invalidate all un-patented mining claims in waters of the State. Once all
un-patented mining claims, in the State, are invalidated, no one will be
allowed to use a suction dredge except where it is permitted to do so and
then only for recreation. The State will only allow one to use a suction
dredge in a recreational area designated for that purpose. Not only will
they limit these areas to but a few places but they will limit the time for
any person to do so, continually, to one week.


CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS

October 22, 2007 Last time DFG attempted to amend the suction dredge regulations, (May 1,
2007), they did so in secrecy. This time, to prevent DFG from secretly
regulating, we are informing the public that DFG is, again, attempting to
amend the suction dredge regulations.

You can send your comments to:

Office of Administrative Law
300 Capitol Mall, Ste. 1250
Sacramento, CA 95814-4339
Tele.: (916) 323-8915
Fax No.: (916) 323-8915
Attn: Linda Brown, Deputy Director or, to Whom it May Concern
Re: Public Comments Opposing Calif. Dept. of Fish & Game
Amendment to 14 CCR 228

Plumas

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4. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   Thanks Walt.


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5. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   Walt-

I read the statement on EAJ's website, the Court's ruling and searched for this "new" amendment by DFG (which I couldn't find). What is the basis for the statement "October 22, 2207 Essentially, the affect of DFG’s proposed amendment to 14 CCR 228 is to
invalidate all un-patented mining claims in waters of the State" on EAJ's website?

Mike

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6. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-26-07 AT 06:40 AM (MDT)
 
A stupid state law cannot rule over federal mining laws. Feds rule over the whole country. Always has,always will,plain,simple and easy.John

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7. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   RESPONSE TO POST #5
In response to 49er Mike’s inquiry as to the basis of our statement that DFG’s Amendment to 14 CCR 228 will invalidate all un-patented mining claims in waters of the State:
(1) DFG has not, as of this date, actually submitted their LATEST proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228 to OAL for approval. On October 9, 2007, DFG told Judge Connelly that, after Judge Connelly signs the Final Judgment, they would amend 14 CCR 228 and in 10 days from entry of that Final Judgment. (DFG’s FINAL JUDGMENT served on October 9, 2007.) That is why I said that DFG is expected to amend 14 CCR 228 and not that they already did amend 14 CCR 228.
(2) As of October 22, 2007, the date of my posting, Judge Connelly had not signed or entered the Final Judgment, as proposed by DFG, in my case.
(3) DFG stated to Judge Connelly that they would propose the same Amendment to 14 CCR 228 that they filed with OAL on May 1, 2007. (DFG’s FINAL JUDGMENT served on October 9, 2007.) The Amendment to 14 CCR 228 that DFG filed with OAL on May 1, 2007 is attached hereto for your review.
http://www.equalaccess2justice.us/docs/news-item-32-image1.14ccr2285
(4) As is BRIEFLY and CLEARLY explained in my paper, attached hereto, http://www.equalaccess2justice.us/docs/news-item-37-image5.pdf the Amendment to 14 CCR 228 that DFG proposed before, which is the same as they are expected to propose within a few days, will invalidate all un-patented mining claims in waters of the State. If you believe otherwise, please address my paper and explain why you believe otherwise.
(5) When DFG proposed their last Amendment to 14 CCR 228, filed on May 1, 2007 with OAL, they did not put it out for public comment; though, they were required to do so by law. This is why we are asking you to comment now; because DFG and OAL are not expected to put out any newly proposed Amendment(s) to 14 CCR 228 for public comment. We do not want to fight the next Amendment to 14 CCR 228 on the back end; after it is enacted. We want to catch DFG with their hand in the cookie jar; fight them right off the get go, when they are doing the illegal act(s).
(6) If you wait for DFG to put their proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228 out for public comment, before you submit your comments, you will be waiting forever for they will not do it; though, they are required by law to do so. That is like saying; “I’m not going to comment until DFG complies with the law.” Ridiculous! What do you think public comments are for; to give DFG cudos? No! The purpose of public comments is to insure that DFG complies with the law.
Hoser John's POST #6
In response to Hoser John’s inquiry as to whether Federal Law, here, preempts State Law and DFG Regulation, here:
(1) Yes; it does! However, not if no one stands up for it or even attempts to stand up for it.
(2) Unless you do comment, opposing DFG’s secret proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228, DFG doesn’t have to comply with the law. This is because, after the statute of limitations has passed, (here 6 months after a regulation becomes law), it is presumed that you have waived any objections to it and that the law has been obeyed in the preparation and processing thereof. As the courts have stated, over and over again; “the law only protects those who have not slept on their rights.” Don’t sleep on your rights here; COMMENT and comment NOW! YOU CAN FIND THE ARTICLE LOCATION AT:
http://www.equalaccess2justice.us/cgi-bin/news.cgi?article=37


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uncle mark
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10-30-07, 01:50 PM (MDT)
 
8. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   Walter
I am not sure about where this is going. Can you explain to me in laymans terms?? Do I need to write a letter????

From what I gather, fish and game is not going to allow special permits anymore. I am not sure how the judge reached a ruling saying this rule change by fish and game doesn't have anything to do with CEQA when the entire premis of dredging seasons and special permits is based on regulations that were implimented because of environmental concerns and grandfathering in existing operations when these environmentally driven regulation changes were made.

As far as declaring unpatented mining claims invalid, that is a moot point because validity is not required on an unpatented mining claim. Validity is a test one must pass if that claim owner chooses to seek patent on a mining claim before the BLM can issue patent. Discovery of a mineral deposit is enough reason to file an unpatented claim.

Another point that needs mentioning here is just because nobody has ever passed a validity test with a four inch or smaller dredge, doesn't mean that it cannot be done, especially inspite of the recent surge in gold value.

And one other last thought, If CDFG regulates all dredging to 4" or smaller, on the presumtion that this would invalidate unpatented mining claims, wouldn't this be "regulations of a prohibitive nature" that would be in direct violation of 1872 mining law?

Another thought on the special permits. Didn't CDFG incorporate "special permits" so that their regulations would not be a "Taking"? CDFG allowed special permits to avoid being taken to court when they impossed a maximum intake of eight inches by existing operations that had nozzles larger than eight inches.

Irregardless of this state ruling, if CDFG does away with special permits, then CDFG regulations are in fact prohibitive regulations preventing me from using equipment of a large enough size to remove the minerals from my claim in a way that I could pass a validity test without CDFG having to prove that on my claim a larger dredge actually causes harm to any protected species???

Mark


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10-30-07, 02:18 PM (MDT)
 
9. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   Ca. DFG has not issued Special Use Permits since 1999 for any of hte restricted or closed waters in the state only for nozzle size,

There is a an Attorney Generals opinion out that the DFG does not have the authority to issue Special Use Permits since 1999 and a court decision at one time upholding that opinion. I do not know if that court opinion is still standing or not but the AG's opinion is still standing.

In my mind it is a taking if they can not issue Special Use Permit for closed and or regulated waters.

Jerry


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10. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-07 AT 03:53 PM (MDT)
 
>Ca. DFG has not issued Special Use Permits since 1999 for
>any of hte restricted or closed waters in the state only for
>nozzle size,
>
>There is a an Attorney Generals opinion out that the DFG
>does not have the authority to issue Special Use Permits
>since 1999 and a court decision at one time upholding that
>opinion. I do not know if that court opinion is still
>standing or not but the AG's opinion is still standing.
>
>In my mind it is a taking if they can not issue Special Use
>Permit for closed and or regulated waters.
>
>Jerry
=================================================
The court decision that was just handed down said that the Attorney Generals opinion seems to be correct in law but that the correct procedures have to be followed to change the regulation to have a new regulation go into effect. Some of the wording was "substantially valid but procedurally void" meaning that the Procedures Act must be followed for the regulation to go into effect and all regulations prior were void which interpreted would be void from the beginning. This includes the so called 05 and 06 informational sheets which were deemed by the court as regulation and were processed in an illegal manner (underground regulating). This will preserve the regulation on special use permits until the new regulations are published (within 10 to 15 days most likely) and a comment period is started if we are not given a comment period as in the last set we need to have comments in already. There is a comment period by law which they should follow but as in the previous DFG form 400 they were going to sort cut the comment period.(see form 400 and look at item 5 http://www.equalaccess2justice.us/docs/news-item-32-image1.14ccr2285>OAL 400 form
An un-patented mining claim is valid until challenged and then you are notified that you are in contest. With the idea using the 1872 mining law to protect you that would need to be done within the "statue of limitations" after the statute of limitations has passed, (here 6 months after a regulation becomes law). It is presumed that you have waived any objections to it and that the law has been obeyed in the preparation and processing thereof.
Mark the point you made about the special use permit being originally upheld to keep it from being a takings is correct. If or rather when they violate this we need to act before the statue of limitations runs out. The idea of a comment again whether we are notified or not.
The special use permits have not been issued but they were still on the books in regulation, they tried to back date them through the 05 and 06 informational statements so they would be beyond the statue of limitations for takings. Now the takings statue of limitations for takings will have started over and is six years. But remember the statue of limitations for a regulation after it becomes law is only 6 months.
I totally agree with Jerry Hobbs form PLP that it is a taking if they can not issue Special Use Permit for closed and or regulated waters.
Walter


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11. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   In the previous post an error was made, it seems that in California the statue of limitations for takings action may only be 6 months not 6 years. I also had some more information to minimize any confusion. This is to add to the answer to Marks post.
In response to Mark's inquiry:

To understand where we are now, it is important to understand the history of subsection (b)(1) of 14 CCR 228; that is the subsection which allows one to obtain a special suction dredge permit to operate a suction dredge with a larger nozzle size than allowed, in a designated closed water, or outside of the designated season.

April 1994 - The Original EIR to support the Suction Dredge Regulations is approved. It supported, amongst other things, 14 CCR 228(b)(1).
May 1994 - 14 CCR 228(b)(1) is enacted which allows one to obtain a special suction dredge permit to operate a suction dredge with a larger nozzle size than allowed, in a designated closed water, or outside of the designated season.
January 2000 - the Attorney General (AG) issues an Opinion that 14 CCR 228(b)(1) is in conflict with its enabling statute, Fish & Game Code § 5653. Fish & Game Code § 5653 allows DFG to publish suction dredge regulations.
April 2001 - DFG issues an emergency rule amending14 CCR 228(b)(1), deleting it, premised upon said AG's Opinion.
August 2001 - DFG's emergency rule amending14 CCR 228(b)(1), deleting it, is repealed by OAL because DFG failed to transmit to them the required Certificate of Compliance and the prior rule is reinstated back to the way it was on April 2001.
December 2005 - DFG publishes what they called an Informational Statement, allegedly, informing the public that they will not approve any special suction dredge permits, applied for pursuant to 14 CCR 228(b)(1).
May 2006 - Eason files his Complaint against DFG challenging said Informational Statement as being an "underground regulation"; that, DFG failed to put it out for public comment, amongst many other things they failed to do.
July 2006 - DFG publishes a second Informational Statement, allegedly, informing the public that they will not approve any special suction dredge permits, applied for pursuant to 14 CCR 228(b)(1).
August 2006 - Eason Amends his Complaint challenging said second Informational Statement as being an "underground regulation".
September 2007 - Judge Connelly rules that DFG's Informational Statements of 2005 and 2006 are both underground regulations and declares them void. Judge Connelly also ruled that 14 CCR 228(b)(1) is in conflict with its enabling statute and must therefore be amended. Judge Connelly orders DFG to comply with the proper procedures in amending the suction dredge regulations and to do so within 10 days after he issues his Final Judgment which he has not issued yet.

Mark is correct in that the current proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228, if enacted, would render the Original (1994) EIR inadequate. As a consequence thereof, the Original EIR would have to be supplmented. To compel DFG to do this, prepare a subsequent EIR premised upon these new circumstances, they will probably have to be sued.


If the assumption is that some suction dredge mining operations will still be grandfathered in after DFG Amends 14 CCR 228, this is not true. Any grandfathering, if it did exist, will be lost after DFG's proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228 is enacted.

If the assumption is that a validity examination is voluntary, (if and when one goes for patent), this is not true. All un-patented mining claims are subject to being declared invalid, after contest; and, at any time. BLM has been and will continue to contest the validity of un-patented mining claims that appear to be invalid. When BLM contest the validity of an un-patented mining claim, the court orders a validity examination be performed. It, the validity examination, is therefore not voluntary. All un-patented mining claims on waters of the State will appear to be invalid if DFG's proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228 is enacted. As all those un-patented mining claims will appear to be invalid, BLM will certainly contest their validity, and just after the six month statute of limitation expires to overturn that regulation.

If the assumption is that it is enough for one person (with a four inch dredge) to pass a validity examination that is enough to allow DFG to get away with it, this is not true. Which miner is going to be the last miner standing; you? Not likely! Anyway, it is ridiculous to say that someone can pass a validity examination with a four inch dredge when no one who has tried has done so.

If the assumption is that BLM utilizes the value of gold, today, to perform their validity examinations, this is not true. The law requires BLM to use an average price of gold over the prior 10 year period in their validity examinations.

Mark is correct in that if DFG makes a regulation which restricts one to mine with a four inch dredge that is a regulatory taking of their un-patented mining claim. Because, in the past, one could obtain a special suction dredge permit to mine with a large nozzle size, larger than four inches, one could not win a takings action. However, if DFG's proposed Amendment to 14 CCR 228 is enacted, all un-patented mining claims on waters of the State will have been taken. To win a takings action, of course, you will have to file one; and, within the statute of limitations to do so, six months. This is best done as a class action suit for reasons that I will explain later.
I will be adding a example of a set of comments I sent in on a new thread. I will also include the importance of sending in your own comments.
Thank You
Walter Eason
as an individual
Board Member of:
Equal Access To Justice
National Outdoor Recreation Council
America's Mining and Prospecting


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12. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   So Walt. Are you saying comment or die, lose your claims?


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13. "RE: ANOTHER WIN, CASE RESULTS ON CA SUCTION DREDGE REGS"
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   well id say that is partially correct! if we dont get involved in someway ,either by taking the lead or supporting those that do fight for our rights, then my answer would be comment or die!we need more small scale miners to get involved or do their part nomatter what state the trouble is in!if we dont support everyone, then how could we expect people to support us when we need help??we are in this together and we need to fight this together! or just give up and roll over!

russau


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