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richard
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05-09-04, 03:27 AM (MST)
 
"underwater detectors"
 
   600 to spend! tiger shark or sea hunter 2, I may be in depths up to 100 feet. 75% of the time fresh water rivers ,lakes or beaches. 25% salt water rivers or beaches. 80% of the time underwater!


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05-09-04, 10:28 AM (MST)
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1. "RE: underwater detectors"
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Let me give you a few other options as well for your price:

Fisher is an excellent choice, what you get is extremely long battery life (75 hours -- and they really do it) and aural target IDs. Depth to 250 feet. No extra short shaft to buy or "scuba mate" attachment to convert it to scuba use, it's ready to go for land or sea from the box. I have a couple Fishers, and I like the Fisher equipment.
The Fisher, set up for diving appears here:
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/fisher/1280.shtml A negative with the Fisher is you have to know which coil you want from the get-go. I select the large coil (as shown) on the Fisher and Minelab since I want to cover the maximum amount of ground I can with the limited bottom time I've got.
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/fisher/fisherwatersurfland-1280x.htm -- 1280 with large coil is at the bottom Ground balances (tunes out salt, other anomolies) as you hunt.

The Tiger Shark has the features above but reduced battery life (12 hours) and reduction in depth by 50 feet. It's weak point is replacing the batteries means opening the case and exposing the circuit board to the elements, whereas the Fisher/Minelab/etc. keep the circuit board and the drop in battery pack seperate. It has a lifetime warranty, although it is not warranted if water is detected on the circuit board. A positive is it has a 7 1/2 and 10" coil that can be changed easily. Some manual ground ballancing required, so you'll need to understand tuning out of various soils (not hard -- and a plus if you're looking for nuggets out west in magnetic iron soils).
http://www.tesoro.com/Manuals/TigerShark_Manual.htm
http://www.dixiemetaldetectors.com/tesorotiger.htm

Although double your price range, I'm including a Minelab Excalibur page and comment for someone else: http://www.kellycodetectors.com/minelab/minelab.htm The Excalibur is the choice for gold hunting. Negatives are the battery pack must be recharged (no drop in batteries) on a wall or ciggarette unit, all the accessories are expensive, the coil size must be known before you buy it, and the wires are somewhat delicate where the headphones fit into the unit and it is not suited to land no matter what they say on the sales site. With all that said, why would you buy it: because it will find the little tag that says "14K" that is on the clasp of a gold chain that has been lost . . . It is that sensitive and that good. The rest of the metal detectors are good too, they're just not THAT good. Over time, the difference in price is negligable (if you use it), since the Minelab will find the small rings and pieces of broken chains and jewelry (scrap gold) that the others will typically miss. An option out west (where you have a lot of hot rocks, mineralized ground, etc.) is the Garrett Infinium: http://www.kellycodetectors.com/Field%20Test%20Reports/garrett/GInfiniumLS2Fieldtest.htm (towards the bottom is the test on nuggets) for $999.

Garrett Sea Hunter: I like the Sea Hunter, my old unit has lasted over 20 years. You can switch from small to large coils easily by simply unscrewing the coil from the box. The difference between the SH II and my old unit is batteries, the older units came with nicads you had to send back to the factory every 5 years. As a result, there's a lot of old Sea Hunters sitting around with a dead set (mine included). It's just to easy to pick up a Fisher and go hunting for 50+ hours . . . With the Sea Hunter II, you now have drop in batteries so it's like other units (20 hours). I suspect, with the smaller coil, it will be just as effective on nuggets underwater as the unit above. These are pulse units, if you understand sonar, you kind of get the idea. It will ignore mineralized ground, salt, etc. The negative is it won't pick up the 14K tag on the chain above, but is offset in that it will detect a cannon ball at 12 feet under the soil with even the standard coil. Proffessionals have used them reliably for many years. At the dawn of Pulse Induction Sea Hunters, the difference in price between it and the next unit that would do what it did for $500 was $9500 . . . so it wasn't brain surgery to outfit a whole dive team with Sea Hunters. Mine paid for itself and a couple other detectors ($2000 worth of treasure) the very first day I had it, so it will always have a special place in my heart, whether I'm using it or not. Andy did a pretty good test on one here: http://www.kellycodetectors.com/Field%20Test%20Reports/garrett/GSeaHunterMark2Fieldtest.htm I will probably buy one of the new Sea Hunter II's myself, with the small coil, and use it in the rivers out west for nuggets this year. I could tell you a lot more after next year for its reliability for prospecting use. I typically use the small coil with this unit anyway, since pulse induction means it goes extremely deep, and the small coil comes in very handy in some of the tight places while diving, and you can take a snap-ring and snap it to your BC and it hangs unobtrusively with the small coil.

So -- I didn't give you an answer -- just more choices (as it should be). I've pulled info from a lot of places to buy these things as well, but you should beware of Ebay deals. There have been cases of people who became distributors with the intent of stocking up quickly and going out of business and bankrupt and sell off the loot on Ebay. If someone is offering lower prices than anyone else can match, it might not be for "friendship" -- watch yourself! These scams hurt us all ultimately as the prices go up (usually for the accessories you need is where the increases go) every time these scam artists pull these things on the distributors.

GOOD LUCK OUT THERE!!!!!! You are enbarking on one of the most fun and profitable endeavors you can have no matter what you choose -- underwater metal detecting.

Matt

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Jus John
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05-10-04, 09:16 AM (MST)
 
2. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Matt, what do you think of the Surf PI Pro detector?

True, it's only good for 100 ft, and only 25 hrs or so on 8 AA batteries, but have you had a chance to use one?

Just curious, as they retail for $699.95, which is close to his price range.


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Matt Mattsonmoderator
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05-10-04, 01:52 PM (MST)
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3. "RE: underwater detectors"
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John,

John, he said he was going to 100 feet and that does have drawbacks that limit that particular model. Otherwise it would probably be just fine. When diving, I like to get things rated 1.5 (minimum) to double the depth I plan to dive at. All these things work great when they're new, but a few years age in a dry environment on the 0-rings, and that 200 ft depth limit could shrink to half that before the case leaks. That said, the vast majority of treasure is found at 30 feet or less, and the average water hunter is hunting 5 feet or less. It's fine for that, and with that big coil you can cover a lot of ground on the beach-wading with a scoop and that's the name of the game there.

I used one of their older PI machines way back (20 years). Whites kind of snake bit themselves with the older units and serious divers, as it had no aural tone at all, but a shaker you'd put in your pants and it would rattle like a rattlesnake when you went over something. The shaft wouldn't collapse, so you'd have to go from hovering above the target and try to get a read on it while this thing was vibrating like the dickens and then drop the detector and go fan and then float back up to waft the coil above the target if you didn't find it, and then back down again to fan . . . it was just to much to take . . .

At any rate, good rigs for diving have a shortie shaft so everything is right there on your forarm, and you can readilly hand fan the sand away or pull rocks with the free hand. You have to fan because some of the most valuable finds of all are chains, and the more delicate they are the more valuable they are, and pulling breaks them immediately. Short metal detectors like the Fisher pictured or Garrett with a scuba rig are a dream to work with in that respect.

Matt


If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Z-Dawg-E
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08-10-04, 08:33 PM (MST)
 
4. "RE: underwater detectors"
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Matt Mattsonmoderator
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09-23-04, 06:47 PM (MST)
 
5. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Looks like I'll be giving the Infinium a 2 week test soon. Stand by . . .


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Jim Collier
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01-29-06, 10:56 AM (MST)
 
8. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Matt,
this is my first post here. Glad to find a site where guys spend so much time in the water or at the beach since that is where I spend the majority of my time and most enjoy hunting. I use a Garrett Sea Hunter XLT500 PI unit, it's old (like the model you described) and the ni-cads are changeable only by the factory. I don't seem to get much depth on ring to coin sized targets even with the discrimination way low.
I spent a number of hours at a heavily used stretch of beach Myrtle SC two years runnning now and have only two men's wedding bands to show for my time. I usually keep a tight pattern on my swing Needless to say I am suspecting either some degraded performance by the machine or just serious limitation on depth maybe due to coil size 8".
All that to say I am considering a new machine and am focused on either M-Scope's 1280X Aquanaut 10" or (should I feel terribly affluent) Minelab's Excalibur 800 or 1000. Money considerations direct my interest first to the 1280X. Do you have any exposure to the Excaliburs? I have read your posts about the 1280X and that seems to nearly settle me there but I am very interested in improved DEPTH over my PI Garrett.
Thanks for your time.
Jim C0llier


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Matt Mattsonmoderator
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01-29-06, 12:28 PM (MST)
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9. "RE: underwater detectors"
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Welcome aboard!

It sounds like the unit has degraded (coil specifically). At this point I agree that it probably makes sense to get another unit. Alan told me Fisher was going to stop producing one of their water units and I've forgotten which one -- maybe he'll chime in.

I have a ton of experience with the Excalibur -- if all you're going to do is light beach (it's just not balanced well for all day dry hunting) hunting and heavy in the water, water hunting -- that's the way to go. If you'll use it (and apparently you are persistant) the extra money will come back to you. For normal (non-nugget) gold hunting (rings specifically), it's still the king. Price alone: a lot of detector in that 1280X for the money, no doubt.

I've used the Infinium in the water quite a bit now and that's an excellent pick too (but hard to learn and a bit finicky -- depth is unmatched by others though).

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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alan b
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01-30-06, 10:50 AM (MST)
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10. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Hey There;
I heard Fisher will stop making the CZ 20 discontinued,so has the Fisher IMPULSE about a year ago! That leaves the 1280x.But I have a gut feeling Fisher has a new water machine in the works!So if your after a Fisher you might want to hold off a bit to see what happens.I own the Impulse and CZ 20 both great machines.I'll keep these,and add the new technology as it comes along.It pays to have a variety of machines,ground conditions will demand this.There's a wide variety of water machines on the market,and they all seem to be finding nice jewelry. Good luck!

alan b


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alan b
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01-30-06, 11:52 AM (MST)
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11. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Hi Matt;
I 've just seen a two season collection of rings.This fellow KEITH IL.from north Chicago,his second year of water hunting.These are fresh water finds says heee!!! He using a Detector Pro Diver.Check out his pics at www.thetreasuredepot.com/cgi-bin/surfandsand/ss_config.pl?read=68145
I"d be happy to find the ones he's walking over,he's so busy cherry picking he's leaving a few you think!

alan b


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Matt Mattsonmoderator
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01-30-06, 01:08 PM (MST)
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12. "RE: underwater detectors"
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Looks like an off day in Miami . . . -- (eh Marv)

He's got me beat -- I really didn't do much detecting last year. Just goes to show what can be done day in and out with a (good) metal detector. The gold dredging is fun, but in no way can ever compete with hunting jewelry for pure monetary reward.

Thanks for sharing the link.

Matt

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
-- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.


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Noble Metal
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02-03-05, 06:46 PM (MST)
 
6. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   I need to ask Matt Mattson publically for forgivness in the past on a post, I was just low on money and under some pretty big stress trying to find a best combination for one of the deepest set-ups in the world. Matt has giving a Lot of time to helping people and I just wanted to say so, and to Thank him publically, THANK You Matt very much, Noble Metal.


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Matt Mattsonmoderator
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02-15-05, 05:00 PM (MST)
 
7. "RE: underwater detectors"
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   Think nothing of it -- we all slip from time to time (and I have).

Good luck out there in the Phillipines!

Matt


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