lets do a environmental study.

[gremlin]

every one knows boulders move during a storm. lets find out just how far they move in a single flood then may be a years time.

1 we will need a few boulders.
2 a way to find out how big the boulders are.
3 a way to find them after they get moved. gps coordinates at the start and at each update.
4 river reports on flooding and water flow.
5 if were lucy a net camra to watch the boulder move.
6 a webmaster to make one of them free on the net websites for updates.

lets brain storm on this and see what can happen. it would freek every one out to find out them purty rocks in the rivers do not sit still.

[russau]

Mel a easier way todo this would be to do just like the wacoenviromentalists do it! make up what ever results you want. how would they even say if these results were made up or not! that would give them wacos something to chew on over night!

[MadJack]

This IS the time of year to get out and video your favorite areas and make sure the audio is working. My streams (most are small rivers) are reconfigured every year by ice and run-off and occasionally I see a 1 or 2 ton boulder rolling down to the next hole!!!
If enough of these videos are shown to law-makers they might rethink banning or restricting dredge use.
Be sure to video class "A" and better (if they exist) trout/salmon waters so when the eco-waco's say we are destroying the streams we can say "OK, God needs a summons to court to answer for His actions!:shock:

[gremlin]

i have seen rivers and streams move all the time. right now were having a lot of flooding. the water is a bit more browner than normal. if we get more rain we mite set a new record. the only ones that seem to never move are man made drainage ditches. they take a lot of time to build and time to matain.

[RiverGold]

I enjoy grass roots research like this, so I would like to see any later posts of observations, particularly with pictures. I have attached a picture of the 1976 Big Thompson Flood near Loveland, Colorado, which occured a few miles from where Leonard lives. You can see some boulders that are probably over a ton in weight that were carried downstream by the water. This was not a broken dam, merely a very large flood from about 9 hours of heavy rains. It killed 145 people. Some of the boulders that moved downstream were car-sized or larger.

About 40 miles away, at the Cherry Creek Reservoir visitor center in Colorado, they have a display of pictures of several Cherry Creek floods, some of which moved house-sized boulders. I remember seeing a chart of water velocity there that tells you what size rocks the force of water can move at various speeds. I seem to remember that 35 MPH is enough to move a house-sized boulder. A 15 MPH flow is enough to move large boulders and re-landscape a river. If anyone has any real doubts, tell them to take a trip down the Grand Canyon with an experiecned river guide and ask the guide to show you large boulders that have been moved by water. I took my raft down there in 1993 and, while scouting rapids, I scrambled over boulders between car-size and house-size that got flushed into the river during heavy rains. These uncontrolled side streams would easily change the course of the Colorado River and the rapids.

[RiverGold]

I did not see the picture of the Big Thompson Flood, so I am trying again with a reduced size.

Randy A

[gremlin]

its stuff like this that we need to be showing every one. when they say we harm the rivers. show them photos and remind them of what a few rain storms can and will do. right now were in the spring floods. last year it washed a road and about two miles of farm land down to the sand stone bedrock. not bad since it was old river bed a long time ago. the river was just trying to take back what it had be for. you could see holes some with round rocks that had running water over them a few centrys ago. the rocks were eating there way down the bed rock when the river flowed over them then. it was neet to see the old river bed. yes i did try to look for gold but the cops were keeping every one out of the area. to bad there mite of been some. they were afrade some one would drive down the road and end up in the water.

[russau]

yes i did try to look for gold but the cops were keeping every one out of the area. to bad there mite of been some. they were afrade some one would drive down the road and end up in the water.[/quote]
Mel, wasnt that what you were trying to do anyway> haha

[gremlin]

i have some photos of the be for and after the flood. yes i did want in the river. a tree that had sat in one spot for two years moved big time. it ended up a mile down the river. the roots must of had a ton or better in large rocks in them. it spent most of its life growing in a pile of rocks to control the river. then one flood it was pulled to just off the side of the channle. it sat there till the big flood.