8:2 Not A Good Return For Cal Dredgers

[El Dorado]

I'm just thinking out loud here and I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure that this is even possible.

I have always wondered why the Cal mining claim holders and the Cal manufactures of mining equipment have never filed a class action lawsuit against the State of Cal for damages caused by the ban on dredging in CA. I think it violates the 1872 mining law.
1, The claim holders pay taxes on the claims that they hold and earn revenue from their labor which are taxed as income by the State.
2, The manufactures pay taxes on their business property and the profit they generate from the sale of their products to the miners in Ca and anywhere else that they sell their products to, which is taxed by the state.
3, The service providers that pay taxes on thier property and the lost revenue from sales that generate profit that is taxed by the state. (ie, motels, resturants, pay to play, any other business that does business with the miners and mining community, gas stations, campgrounds, to name a few.
4, The loss of revenue to the miners from the sale of their gold and the loss to the community from the tax revenue that has not been realized.

I would have thought some legal firm would have felt that this would have been a winable case for them to pursue. After all the lawyers are running adds on tv all over the country to get people to bring their problems to them to solve.

As far as I can tell, the mining community has been discriminated against and harmed by this State Law and everybody seems to feel that nothing can be done.

It's all right if you want to chain yourself to a rock while you dredge and hope that the media will bring their cameras and tv anchors to report on your plight. I just don't think anyone cares!
I guess I'll just crawl back in my cave and go to sleep.

Dickb

It is also discrimination against a minority group.... but don't expect the PLP to be able to run with that either!

OK Russ, show me the proof that not one single person gets any of the donated money... heresay does not count!

[El Dorado]

If it was not so hard to launch a dredge on my Patent property, I would love to invite many many dredgers to stage a dredging protest on my private property that has the S. Fork of the American River running through it. It's only 8 miles from Marshall's discovery and El Dorado County's supervisors are against this ban also. Would love to invite the local press too.....

Maybe just a few 2-2 1/2' dredges would do the trick, and with 2 people per dredge the packing in-out could be done pretty easily

My patent signed by Pres Taft says I have the right to mine my property!

[dickb]

TOO BAD THE STATE OF CALIFORINIA SAYS THAT YOU CAN"T

Not only that, but they say they can fine you and confiscate your property, and maybe throw you into their jail as well.

Anybody see anthing wrong with that?

Did I miss it when California seceded from the union?

Dickb

PS: Steve, I really think the work you do with gold is outstanding!

[CalGoldDredger]

Dick, nothing was mentioned or written about confiscation. Just says fine UPTO $1000 and UPTO 6 months inprisonment (Key Word Upto) and the only place I can find this so called penalty is on a few unofficial letters.

I looked into somethings about this and it seems that this penalty was never written legally into the court shcedule...hmmmm..... still working on it.

[dickb]

Hi CGD:

Well I don't live in CA, I don't own a dredge, I don't own a claim in CA, so really I don't have a dog in this fight. That said, I thought I remember reading right after 670 passed that they could cite you and confiscate your equipment, then if the courts upheld the citation, they could fine and/or imprison for a punishment.

Really there has been so much said that it's hard to know what they can or will do. The point that I'm trying to make is that the certain people of CA have been put under a moritorium and have real damages caused by it and nobody seems to want to stand up to them and fight it. There is money in CA to fight everything else, but nobody cares what happens to the miners. I get the impression that most of the CA miners say "Oh Well" and sell their dredges. Seems to me that only a few people on the web forums even comment on it. There are over 400 members on this forum and how many of them even bother to comment.

I'm convinced that we have a much larger agenda that is being forced down the throat of the people of America as a bitter pill. The Rich get Richer and the poor get you know what!

Dickb

[CalGoldDredger]

Isn't odd that out of all the miners still dredging that not a one has gotten cited.

It is all BS they can't enforce it cause there ain't nothing there to back their citation up in court.

[dickb]

Well then CGD:

I've been watching dredge after dredge being sold in CA ever since 670. Most have sold as pickup only and for pennies on the dollar.

It breaks my heart the these good law abiding people are getting the short end of the stick and the people like Stopher are laughing at them as being totaly stupid. First, it was the dune buggies and the 4 wheelers, then the ATV'ers, then the Campers, now the Miners. Where does it stop. They want to lock up all the public lands and post no tresspassing signs to everyone but the corporate loggers and corporate miners.

Has anybody thought about all the toxic herbicide and pesticide that runs out of the San Fernadino Valley and polutes the rivers and ground waters? Miners as bad for the ecology is total BS, we've stopped using mercury and now remove it from the environment along with lead and other trash. What does it look like afte they clear cut the side of a mountain for the timber and walk away leaving all the slash and other mess to return to nature. HA HA

We've lost track of what is right in this country and greed has taken over.

Now I'm going back to my cave and go to sleep. At least I feel better after all this ranting, wish it would do some good.

I hope you have a great trip up north and bring back buckets full of gold. Be safe and lots of luck!

Dickb

[El Dorado]

TOO BAD THE STATE OF CALIFORINIA SAYS THAT YOU CAN"T

Not only that, but they say they can fine you and confiscate your property, and maybe throw you into their jail as well.

Anybody see anything wrong with that?

Did I miss it when California seceded from the union?

Dickb

PS: Steve, I really think the work you do with gold is outstanding!

Thanks for the compliment on the jewelry A sitting US President says I can and I have a piece of paper on official letterhead that says I can! Screw CALIFORNIA. Actually screw the pinheads under the dome, I still love California. Besides they would have to come through a locked gate and trespass to get there, or swim down the river a mile to get there.

[russau]

OK Russ, show me the proof that not one single person gets any of the donated money... heresay does not count![/quote]
Steve i dont have to prove to you or anyone anything! and heresay is all you have to make that kind of statement! if not,you show it!

[russau]

[quote="dickb"]Hi CGD:

Well I don't live in CA, I don't own a dredge, I don't own a claim in CA, so really I don't have a dog in this fight. ****(quote)**** Dick every man/woman/and child has a dog in this fight! when it comes to our Constitutional rights granted us from congress,any diviation from it makes it all of our fights! to not use a right means to give it up!this is for every state!