Klamath Tribes

[Bonaro]

It would seem that the tribes may be satisfied with the restrictions levied against the miners in Cali. Their master plan for the re-taking of amerika has now taken its next step.
When they came after the miners, no one stood and spoke for us. Now they have set aim at farmers and ranchers, we will see who has something to say now.

http://news.yahoo.com/klamath-tribes-fe ... 12906.html

[russau]

hmmmm? i can see another Bucket Brigade comeing out of this!

[Grivy]

Just like the Mexicans their trashing the place

[Jim_Alaska]

It would seem that the tribes may be satisfied with the restrictions levied against the miners in Cali. Their master plan for the re-taking of amerika has now taken its next step.
When they came after the miners, no one stood and spoke for us. Now they have set aim at farmers and ranchers, we will see who has something to say now.

http://news.yahoo.com/klamath-tribes-fe ... 12906.html

Hi Dan,

Just for information purposes I wanted to say that the Klamath Tribes are not the ones that have been hounding miners. They represent tribes way over in the upper Klamath Lakes. Their beef has aways been about farmers taking water, but to my knowledge they have not aligned themselves with the downn-river tribes, like the Karuk, Yurok and Hoopa.

[Bonaro]

Thanks Jim, I didn't now that but it really doesn't change my opinion of the tribes in general

[gremlin]

i dont think the farmers what the fish to die. and yet they do not want there livily hood to die. there mite be a way to save both. you can bet the greens will not like it.

[Sierra Sam]

Like Jim states, it has always been my understanding that it was only when the New 49ers basically, openly, thumbed their noses at the Klamath natives (operative word here is "native"), ignoring their concerns with respect to their fishing rights and conservation efforts to support a renewable resource of salmon in the area, that the "stuff" hit the fan, so to speak. They openly voiced their stance that they were not against "miners", that their concern was that of their fishing industry on a relatively small section of river in a specific area and that those rights as defined by the United States Government for indigenous tribes, were being ignored.

My take was that the New 49ers were more focused on their margin than the sport, hobby and business of mining. I know from personal experience that fish begin to suffocate if the water becomes too murky and feel guilty if I see fish begin to roll on their sides from lack of oxygen. So Tribes have a legitimate concern in that respect. AND the Klamath residents were ONLY attempting to protect a relatively small section of the river. What would have been the harm in respecting their rights and concerns for that stretch of the river. But no. They had to poke the hive and ignore those concerns for, what I perceive, as purely monetary motivation. And since the Governor knew nothing of the issues at play, had no (political) choice other than shut everything down until yet another "study" (at OUR expense) could be completed to expose the facts of the case.

As for the rights of the indigenous inhabitants (Indians & Mexicans), one need only to look at maps of who lived where centuries ago, and see how their lives and heritage have been, in some cases, literally bulldozed into oblivion. Only during a period of time when Hippies were sticking flowers into the barrels of soldiers weapons, was the light of justice and awareness shined upon the environment and those indigenous inhabitants who had been displace, killed, reservationalized and segregationalized in the name of "progress". Money was then, and continues to be, the route of all evil here.

I'm not really any type of flag waiver here. I don't enjoy being pushed into a group of "white-at-fault" bigots who came west to decimate the land and peoples they found. I'm a third and fourth generation Californian, yet I'm blamed for slavery, killing off the buffalo, cutting off the pigtails of the Chinese, killing the Indians and forcing them off their lands, then destroying those lands with clearcutting and hydro-mining and exploiting the environment, taking lands "belonging" to Mexicans, then preventing them from entering the U.S. to better their lives, etc., etc., etc.

Respect. It's a game of give and take. The unfortunate historical evidence has demonstrated that "take" has prevailed over the decades. I feel guilty when I go way downstream and see the evidence of my digging in the silt in the otherwise pristinely clear stream, and feel a sense of relief as the waters clear.

We all know that we've taken a lot of led, mercury and man made objects out of those streams and rivers we've worked. And that the "damage" we do with the holes we dig disappears with the first good rains. We pack out what we pack in. We stand in awe as we look and listen to the forests and streams we "work" in. Our obsession lies in the way that precious gold we seek glistens in the morning sun. We keep much of what we find because if we cash it in there is the realization that it really isn't about the money as much as bragging rights to show off our hard earned harvest of flakes and specks. And to hold a small picker or nugget between our fingers, or to feel it plop in the palm of out hand revives our interest and clouds those thoughts of broken shovels, scraped knuckles, cramping legs and dollars spent in such a pursuit. Dig a little deeper, that voice in our heads whispers as the sweat rolls down our temples. Just one more shovel full. Just one more.

I don't know where the answers lie, but without respect for the environment and each other we are doomed to fail here. We can't right the wrongs and injustices, but we can improve relationships and make an effort to regrow this country in the image we see in our minds and wish it will become. We the people gets lost I feel, with I am right and you are wrong. It didn't work with the sibling you grew up with, so why would you think it will work with someone you won't take the time to know?

I'm not proofing this so don't correct my grammar or spelling. You get my drift.
Dig on!! And Peace out, Dude!!

[russau]

Well like you say, we can keep looking back or we can try todo something about it.we cant undo what was done,nomatter who did what or why!

[DJR]

Blaming the 49ers for what happened to dredging in CA is as nuts as blaming the republicans for Obummer care.

[Bonaro]

The 49ers came to Happy Camp and found a ghost town with a forgotten tribe living t the poverty level. The tribe saw the money being made and got jealous. Their plan was to shut down all mining on the klamath so they could pick up the claims cheap and expand with the ultimate dream of a casino near the freeway. Things grew and the greed got deeper and here we are today